T.S.O.L. digs into past for Capitol show
Published 12:00 am Thursday, March 29, 2018
- Seminal hardcore/deathrock band T.S.O.L. (True Sounds of Liberty) will perform its first two records in their entirety at The Capitol on Sunday. (John Gilhooley/Submitted photo)
T.S.O.L. frontman Jack Grisham often gets fans telling him how happy he and his bandmates look onstage. His response: “Who wouldn’t be stoked?”
Grisham has been on and off the road with various musical groups since hardcore/deathrock group T.S.O.L. (True Sounds of Liberty) released its debut album “Dance with Me” in 1981. He’s also worked some “real jobs,” too, as he put it to GO! Magazine recently — enough to know he’d much rather be a touring musician.
Toward the end of a recent, half-hour-plus interview with GO! Magazine, Grisham recalled a conversation between himself and guitarist Sean Greaves (formerly of Reno’s 7 Seconds) from when the two toured together in The Joykiller. The band released three albums on Epitaph Records in the ’90s and reunited in 2014.
“We were touring with the Offspring, and Sean was bitching about the monitors and he was bitching about a bunch of s— going down,” Grisham said from Fresno, California, a stop on T.S.O.L.’s current tour. The group plays The Capitol on Sunday.
“I go, ‘Hang on a minute, come here, come here.’ I go, ‘Look, guys, a month from now, you’re gonna be back in some … apartment building painting it and pulling carpet up off the floor. Enjoy this, man. Enjoy where we are.’ And it was so funny because we got off tour and a month later, he called me up and he said, ‘I ripped up carpets today and I thought of you. F—, man, I wish I was back on tour.’”
The do-it-yourself touring model still isn’t easy even for a seminal hardcore band like T.S.O.L., which along with bands such as Black Flag, Minutemen and Dead Kennedys paved the way for today’s independent touring acts. Case in point: This month, 7 Seconds announced it will break up after 38 years due to physical, personal and financial issues, detailed in a post on its Facebook page.
T.S.O.L.’s members all hold down jobs aside from the band: New drummer Antonio Val Hernandez manages a post office; guitarist Ron Emory runs a music conservatory; bassist Mike Roche is a tattoo artist; and Grisham is a photographer and writer (his most recent work, a children’s book titled “I Wish There Were Monsters,” was published in 2015). Keyboardist Greg Kuehn only plays with the band in the Los Angeles area, the band’s home base since it formed in 1978.
Without Kuehn, who joined the band for 1982’s genre-defying sophomore album “Beneath the Shadows,” the band decided to perform its self-titled 1981 EP and “Dance with Me” in their entirety on this tour.
The encore will feature select songs from the band’s classic period and its most recent album (and first in eight years), last year’s “The Trigger Complex,” that don’t rely as much on keyboards.
That set is mirrored on the vinyl live album “Live at the Observatory,” recorded in Santa Ana, California, in January and due out in June. The Observatory show was the first time the band tackled its first two releases in order live, Grisham said.
“It’s the same songs,” he said. “Hopefully it’s not the same show — I took a spill offstage on that one and just ate s—. If you go on the T.S.O.L. Instagram, it’s probably about maybe 10 pics down. You see where Fletcher (Dragge) from Pennywise tackles me. He’s so f—— drunk, he thinks he and I are gonna land in the audience. And it’s like, look, I weigh 280, he’s pushing 320. Thank God we didn’t land in the audience because it would have killed some poor little girl standing in the front, but we basically didn’t even make it over the orchestra pit. So he and I went head first into the concrete.”
Grisham, Emory and Roche, the band’s founding members, have toured steadily and released four new studio albums since reuniting in the late ’90s (original drummer Todd Barnes died in 1999). But the T.S.O.L. name needed some rehabilitation, at least for punk audiences. When Grisham, Barnes and Kuehn left in 1983, Emory and Roche carried on with new vocalist Joe Wood (Grisham’s brother-in-law at the time), and the band gradually morphed into a bluesy glam rock band over the course of its next four albums.
“I don’t blame them for using the name,” Grisham said. “Although a little bit I wish, when they came to me and said, ‘Do you mind if we use it?’, I wish I would have said no. Just a little bit. Like, how about not? But at the time, I didn’t care because I had gotten so sick of … punk rock and all the violence and everything that went with it. It was just like, ‘Hey, f—— do whatever you want. I’m playing lounge music.’”
Eventually, Emory and Roche quit the new T.S.O.L., leaving the band without any original members. In 1999, Grisham was invited to perform some old T.S.O.L. songs with a hired backing band at an art show in Santa Monica, California, commemorating punk’s early days and also featuring members of X, The Weirdos and Devo.
“I said, ‘Well, I just talked to Mike, and Mike’s cleaned up.’ I go, ‘Let me see if Mike’s in,’” Grisham said. “So I called Mike and Mike goes, ‘Yeah, yeah, I’d love to do it. You know, I just talked to Ron and Ron’s doing good.’ And I’m like, ‘Wow, really?’ Because Ron hadn’t been doing good. And he goes, ‘Yeah, Ron’s doing good.’ So we got a hold of Ron and said, ‘Hey, do you want to do this?’ So the first time that we got back together again — where we really got back together and stayed together — we started at an art show. And I’ll tell ya — the very first song, and things just … went anarchy. I mean, the whole place went crazy, a guy got his nose broken onstage, just insanity. And we’re like, ‘Hey, that feels pretty good.’”